I was starting to find the maps on my RNS 510 were getting a bit out of date, after all I had never updated it since I purchased the car in 2009. I also read that newer versions of firmware also provided additional features, bug fixes and performance improvements, obviously! So I started doing a lot of googling and reading and found a wealth of information spread all over the place about how to upgrade both the firmware and maps on the RNS 510.
So having successfully updated both the firmware and maps on my unit I thought I would write a guide to summarise, in one place, how I did it. First I will describe how I did the firmware upgrade, then I will move on to how I updated the maps.
Determine which revision of hardware/firmware you are running There are various different versions of RNS 510 along with multiple different versions of firmware, so it seemed like a good first step was to work out what I had. You can find out the specific hardware revision by a) taking the unit out of the dash and looking for the part number or b) using a secret hidden menu.
I opted for the second option, I really didn’t want to have to pull the unit out. To access the hidden menu, simply press the setup button for around 10 seconds and a radio service menu should appear with a menu option called “Version info” – unfortunately, on my unit this did not work. It seems that on older firmware versions this hidden menu is not available. So I was struggling at the first step, I had no idea which hardware/firmware revision I was running. Fortunately, I found a web site that was quite encouraging and convinced me to take the plunge anyway.
A high-risk strategy, and I would only encourage you to take it if you are prepared to take the risk! Obtain new firmware I found a really useful web site at gpsunderground. The chap here makes some pretty bold claims about which version of firmware works with with hardware revision, and the forum is full of people asking in broken English if it will work with their unit.
So he basically says this: 1. Everyone can use firmware 5238 and newest maps - You can always use firmware 5238 on any device from 2005 to October 2013 (with HDD). Hardware C3-C12. You can update directly to 5238 with no need for an update in between. There are no exceptions to this, no matter what anybody else says. I decided to go for firmware 5238, this also includes the video-in-motion (VIM) hack that stops the DVD player cutting out when you drive faster than 5mph. You can get the download links from his site, but I’ll reproduce the links here, note that these links could go dead at any time: SW: 5238 Update by josi HW: C3-C12 / / (452 MB) After downloading, I used 7-Zip to unzip and merge the three files together into a single ISO image.
An alternative is to try and download it from BitTorrent, a torrent file you can try (you will need to unzip it to extract the torrent file then use something like to process the torrent file and start the download). It’s small enough that it will fit onto a CD-R, no need to waste a DVD-R! I burnt the ISO at the slowest speed my burner supported, which was 10x. My laptop came with CyberLink Power2Go, which is a very basic burner, but it worked fine for me. I’m sure you could use Nero or some other burner and burn it slower if you wanted.
All the advice I have read states that the RNS 510 optical drive can be a bit fussy, so best to burn at the slowest speed you can. So now I had the firmware all burnt and ready I was itching to give it a go but wait! I work in IT, and whenever you do anything in IT you ALWAYS have a back-out plan.
So what was I going to do if it all went tits up? Well, turns out there is a recovery ISO that can help fix an RNS 510 if the firmware upgrade fails.
I didn’t actually need it it in the end, but it sure helps calm the nerves knowing that it’s out there. Here’s you can find it. Perform the firmware upgrade Now there is a magic button combination you can press to get the unit into software update mode (Setup + Eject + Info/Mic – top right hand button next to the DVD slot) – I didn’t actually need this (not until later anyway) but it’s handy to know. Open the car up but do not put the key into the ignition. I put the CD-R with the firmware on it straight into the RNS 510 and it powered up and started to read the disc. If it doesn’t power up then press the on/off button. Then it’s just a case of being patient, letting it reboot several times and following the prompts.
When it starts updating you’ll just have to leave it for about 1 hour. With a bit of luck, everything will go smoothly!
WARNING: There is a real possibility you will lose all your map data and music files on the HDD – make sure you have a map DVD available to reload your maps, unless you are happy to worry about that later! Check the upgrade was successful After my unit rebooted I was curious to see if my maps and music on the hard disk had survived the upgrade process. They had not!
I don’t have a definite explanation, but I believe that whether the HDD gets wiped or not depends on which firmware version you were running – that’s why it’s nice to know what you are running so you can work out if you are going to lose your map data and music files or not. It seems that older firmware versions only used 2 hard disk partitions, one for the map data, the other for the music files. When you upgrade to a later version of firmware, it creates an additional partition for the new POI data available with the latest map DVD’s, so the upgrade may wipe your HDD to create 3 partitions. Of course if you are running a later version of firmware, you may already have 3 partitions, so may not lose anything. BUT, it also seems that the map partition may not be big enough to hold all the data for the latest map DVD’s (the V12 Western Europe DVD is 5.5GB, compared with V4 which is about 3.5GB), so I’ve read somewhere that some firmware versions may actually resize the partitions, so even if you have 3 you may still lose all your files. There are also other custom firmwares that change the partition sizes to give you more space for music files and not so much room for the POI data. Basically it all becomes a bit of a minefield trying to figure it all out so I didn’t really get too bothered about all this.
But there’s plenty of info in the forums if you can be bothered to read it! Anyway, I was curious to see how much space I had for music, and as the HDD icon in media player was greyed out, I knew it had been wiped. The way to get it back is to copy some MP3’s from an SD card, then you will see how big the music partition is. On mine it is only 13.8GB, this is definitely smaller than what I had before, I think I had around 20GB before, so I probably do have some wasted space for the POI database which I could reclaim using one of these repartitioning tools, but I will save all this for another day. Next step is to check the hidden menu – I held down the setup button for about 10 seconds and sure enough it popped up. I selected version info and got this screen: What is interesting is that this is showing my unit to be a “L” hardware rev (last character of part number), which seems to be quite a late rev considering my car is a 2008 model, but I’m sure I read somewhere that this firmware update actually changes the part number. No idea why, but I guess the only way to really check is to pull the unit and look at the physical label.
Anyway, you can see I am now running S/W version 5238, so that is all good. No map data is listed because I haven’t loaded the maps yet.
So what I did was insert my original map DVD that came with the car, this is Western Europe V3, so is really old, but it copied to the hard disk and I was up and running in no time. Obtain latest map DVD or ISO image The latest Western Europe map DVD at the time of writing appears to be V12. If you manage to get hold of the DVD (ebay is your friend) you can simply load it into your unit and copy it to your HDD. However, if you know where to look you can find the ISO image.
The issue with this is that the ISO is too big to fit on a single layer DVD-R, so you’ll need to get some dual-layer DVD-R’s and burn it or use another way. After reading about all the problems people have had getting the RNS 510 to load the maps from a home-burnt dual-layer disc (sounds like it has to do with where the transition between the 2 layers occurs) I opted for “another way” – and this, my friend, is ingenious! Prepare SD card with map data and custom map loader CD The Internet really can be a wonderful place sometimes! Due to the problem of the latest maps being too big to fit onto a single layer DVD-R, the Internet found a way around the problem. This sounds almost like evolution and reminds me of that line from Jurassic Park where Jeff Goldblum says “Nature always finds a way” or some other rubbish.
Turns out a clever chap by the name of Christian Jeanin figured out a way to get the RNS 510 to load the maps off an SD card – brilliant! People appear to have been having problems with this, but I did it and it worked first time. Anyway, if you go to and download “maps-tool” you get a lovely little tool that helps to prepare a set of files that can be copied to an SD card (minimum 8GB size) along with an ISO image that you can burn to another CD-R. This is used to boot the RNS 510 so it can copy the maps off the SD card. To start with, do a full format of the SD card using FAT32 and default allocation size and give it a volume name. Start “maps-tool” and specify source ISO and destination directory.
You can do it straight to the SD card if you want but it might be quicker if you use a local directory and then copy the files over to the SD card when it’s finished (I foolishly did it across my WiFi network to my NAS and it took ages!). There are two options, you can prepare to copy to SD card or try and compress the ISO to fit it onto a single layer DVD.
I wouldn’t bother with the second option as the latest maps will still be too big, also it doesn’t actually compress the data but removes stuff like TMC and POI data to try and make it smaller. Select the first option, hit build and let it run. When the build is complete, you will find in the destination the following folders and files:. Hello Paul Nothing short of a brilliant guide, so I have my fingers crossed that it helps me restore my RNS510 A version. I bought firmware and a map upgrade on eBay, successfully installed the firmware, but found it impossible to load the maps. It kept getting to about 95% and then restarting.
After a dozen or so unsuccessful attempts, I started trawling the net for answers, only to end up more confused than ever. It appears that the firmware I bought should never really have worked on my unit (so I then had to downgrade, which was another drama!!) and I suspected that the maps may not have been loading because of the partition sizes. I spent an age downgrading and then trying to reload the maps which still failed over and over again. I’m at the end of my tether, and can only assume that the map copy I purchased is either duff, or the laser in my (2008 produced) RNS has become a bit lazy. This got me to the point of finding Maps Tool and your great tutorial. I tried to load the purchased map dvd into maps tool, but it failed reporting it was an unrecognised version (8118 instead of 8117) so I’ve hit rock bottom with that, and am hoping to try and download it from somewhere and install via SD card, which would eliminate the need for buying double layer dvd’s only to find out that my RNS dvd drive is no good.
Anyway, fingers crossed, I shall report back. Thanks again for the great guide.
Thanks for a great article. I am stuck on the bit where the SD card is in and the DVD is in but I am unable to enter the software upgrade mode. I press the setup + eject buttons on the RNS 510 but the button next to the eject is a star for me and the microphone button is on the steering wheel. Pressing all 3 just does the same as what would pressing the setup button would do i.e. Sends me to the test mode but not upgrade mode.
Also, the DVD keeps getting pushed out Any help would be greatly appreciated. I know you said: 1. Everyone can use firmware 5238 and newest maps - You can always use firmware 5238 on any device from 2005 to October 2013 (with HDD).Hardware C3-C12. You can update directly to 5238 with no need for an update in between. There are no exceptions to this, no matter what anybody else says. However I have tried using the 5238 update on a 2009 unit and twice it has failed at the HDD update. The disc then gets ejected and I get this message: Anyone got any advice on how to resolve?
Sent from my I-phone, cheers. Ok, so just replying for anyone who will encounter the same problem.
The v13 were a success. I do not know for what reason, but after reinstalling the 5238 i had the v13 maps in full without having to do anything else. Normally when u install the firmware deletes everything you have on hdd, so i suppose now it acted as a repair only that managed to keep the v13 maps on the hdd.
So if anyone encounters the same problem, popin the 5238 firmware cd back in if you get stuck like me and after it finishes you should have all ready to go. Thanks again to Paul for the quick response and for the detailed tutorial. Hi, Excellent post and instructions. I have several questions: Does this work for USA vehicles?
I was able to unpackage the zipped files, and the ISO file size is 700MB and not the 450, as you indicated. The filename is RNS510-5238A-josi-VIM-Testmode.iso. Could you please verify this is what you had once you unpackaged your file? Also, earlier in your post you mentioned that this upgrade includes the VIM 5mph being disabled? I wanted to make sure that it is since I have mine currently disabled – so I don’t want to lose this feature.
I’m not sure what version of the map I have loaded, but I’ll have to look for the CD. I had left a comment previously but it didn’t show up. My apologies in advance for my duplicate entries, if it shows up.
Great post on upgrading the RNS 510. Before applying I have 3 questions. I downloaded the files using 7zip and I was able to unzipped the file. The ISO file size is 700Mb and not the 450Mb.
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So, hopefully it’s the same file. Can your verify your ISO file size? Is this firmware upgrade valid for USA VW cars with RNS510? In your post you indicated that the firmware disables the VIM timeout of 5mph. Want to make sure this is correct before applying since my current system has this feature turned off.
Hi Paul, thank you very much for your post. These steps are easy to read and follow. I followed these steps exactly and now the update with both the firmware and the map is successful. Just a few additional comments that may help: 1. When updating the firmware, I have to set the clock mode to 24h and leave the door open.
Otherwise I get a clamp state error. To enter the upgrade mode, the three buttons on my RNS 510 are SETUP+EJECT+STAR (next to EJECT). I read somewhere that a guy is asking the buttons when the MIC is on the steering wheel. Just a note for anyone following this, I have noticed some subtle differences since upgrading to this firmware, the main one being the lack of mp3 resume. Sometimes I’ll do a short trip to drop the kids off at school and don’t get through a whole mp3 track, when I jump back in the car later the track restarts from the beginning rather than from where it left off.
It’s only a minor annoyance, but sometimes I end up listening to the same track time and time again because I don’t drive the car long enough to get onto the next one! I checked the GPS underground site and found this little note: “C3 & C4A only There is no automatic mp3 resume with a modified firmware, due to smaller hardware memory.
Hi Paul, Did you burned the recovery ISO on a CD too? It’s only 4mb in size. What a waste of space.
If not, what did you do? Also, how can I tell if I have a HDD and what it’s size is? I went to all the menu’s and cant find anything about HDD. If the CD is ejected, I can navigate without it. Which should mean that I have a HDD in it, just cant get any info about it. Would love to know how big it is in order to make a decision either replace it if the size is too small, or install the maps if I have enough space. So today I tried to do the firmware update and updating the navigation maps.
Firmware update failed, I wasted 2 CD’s and 1 DVD-RW. Those CD’s were pretty old, I’m guessing more than 13 years. But I used 2x speed for writing. When I inserted the CD’s they were ejected with an error on the screen.
Here is an interesting part: Pressing setup button for 10/15/20/25/30/etc doesn’t do anything in my unit. All it shows is the AM/FM secret menu. Investigating some more about how to enable this tells me that I need to do something with a cable VAGCOM (which I don’t have).
But I moved on updating the navigation from V6 to V13. After 30 min it completed successfully.
Then the system rebooted and I was curious if pressing the setup button for 10 sec would do anything. Secret menu showed up, and I learned that I have a C unit (the delivery port number ends with 680C). Updating the firmware first wouldn’t have showed me this info. The SW-Version is 2720, which is pretty old. The map got updated to 8195. I was curious if I had the speedcams as POI too, but I learned that I don’t have them. I read somewhere that I need to have a SW version not older than 3xxx for this to work.
So it seems that I have to retry burning the image again. I’ll go for 10x speed this time, and I bought new CD’s/DVD’s. Any questions let me know. I’ll keep you guys posted. Hi, your guide is brilliant.
I have tried it and it works fine, but with one problem. I installed firmware 5238 and maps west V13. Everything works fine, only steering wheel buttons doesn´t work!
I don´t know what can i do with it.(Škoda Octavia 2007, Columbus RNS 510) I have another question. I tried this in my fathers Škoda Superb 2010 also with Columbus RNS 510.
This navigation does not read any CDs or DVDs, home burnt and original too. I found in one of forums, that it can be laser error. Have you same advices?
Can u help me? ? I will be appreciate for every answer. Thank you very much for every reply. Have a good day. PS: I´m form Slovakia, so sorry for my english ?. I know you said: 1. Everyone can use firmware 5238 and newest maps - You can always use firmware 5238 on any device from 2005 to October 2013 (with HDD).Hardware C3-C12.
You can update directly to 5238 with no need for an update in between. There are no exceptions to this, no matter what anybody else says. However I have tried using the 5238 update on a 2009 unit and twice it has failed at the HDD update. The disc then gets ejected and I get this message: SWL Error An error has occurred related to the SWL Media.
Please remove the existing media and either insert the same SWL image on a different Media to continue or insert a new SWL image to start a new SWL process. Can anyone help here? Hello, help to understand which I need to put the firmware. Information RNS510: Delivery part number – 1T0035680A HW -Verion – H04 SW-Version – 1020 SV SW-Version – CEU5.540t730 HW Radio – 0003 Map version HDD – 6317 Later firmware have updated to 3810, during the upgrade, all data from the HDD were deleted. Now in Version info showing: Delivery part number – 1T0035680D HW-Version – H04 SW-Version – 3810 Navigation maps set failed, tried 8129 (Eastern Europe), but RNS510 an error “error disk”. Tell me which can be placed navigation map now, or which firmware update to be able to put the latest boulaur card?
Hi Paul and all I have this issue (looks like a common one) my radio (RNS 510) starts with the logo of VW and directly switch off, tried to disconnectetc but nothing, looks like a firmware issue right? This is my first question second one, i downloaded from this link the firmware version 6276 (LOCATION 1) but there is a location 2 which is devided into 3 parts, should i download them also and put them on the same CD as the location one for the update or just enough the location one??
Don’t understand really the difference between them!! The third question which is dirsturbing me more than others is should i really upgrade my RNS 510 to this latest versio or enough the 5238 mentioned above?? I am not sure about the version that i have and the firmware inside but it is an RNS 510 inside a passat CC (oct 2008). Afraid just to downgrade later is it not support!
Thanks a lot for your quick support all of you and your quick promt. Hi Paul I have read on my gti.com that the update can sometimes cause a power drain issue, did you experience this and if so how did you overcome it? I am running the RNS510 with V5 maps and it has reverse cam installed. I tried the secret menu to find my software version but sadly this didnt work ? I have the old logo when the system loads.
Keen to give this a go tomorrow but just wanted to know if any of the above features mentioned are likely to cause issues? You guide and links are very good by the way great read nice and clear!! Hi Paul, thanks for your support, in fact the above mentioned version for some reason i could not use it, i spent half a day trying but the update goes interrupted in half a way, i downloaded 5269 version and TADAAAAAA it works))), the issue now is that i lost all the maps and as you might know the volume of the ISO image cannot fit into one DVD, any advises on this? Using SD cards is scarying me since i don’t wanna see again the setup screen, BTW, how can i go out from the setup screen without using the SWL CD (mean after SETUP+EJECT+INFO) Tried to split the ISO image into 2 parts but the system does not recognized any of the 2 CDs!!! Thanks in advance.
Few notes with v13, card instructions mode. For me it was easier burning that iso file as image to cd/dvd at low speed (4x on a rewriteble Verbatim CD). 1st I just wrote it as iso file to cd and I got the dvd/cd error message. Tennis no oujisama form the strongest team iso.
It’s going smooth with dors open an no key in ignition, but don’t think it count cuz I retrofit the rns to a 2006 audi ? You need to know that the system will boot few times before it get to update the maps and eventually will show an image with update available, the the process (31% continuously), confirmation done and afer another automatically reboot maps were available with card/cd out. In total will be 5 or 6 reboots, at least that how it was in my case.
I didn’t change the can bus and didn’t made modifications in VAG-COM to make it perfectly run in my car, it will happen when I’ll find someone with skills in that area. Thanks a lot for instructions.
Hi Paul, So I have recently bought Skoda Octavia 2 (2009) with RNS 510 unit. And I deciced to upgrade firmware and maps and I founded your blog.
At first I want to thank you for such detalied way to upgrade RNS 510,but seems like I have a problem. I succesfully upgraded firmware to 5238 without any errors and when I was done with the building maps on sd card and burning “sd to hdd fw iso” file on cd,when I insert CD into a RNS 510 as you said,I got a message CD/DVD ERROR and about 15sec after that message the system starts restarting and shows a message about founded SWL file and then after several restarts,unit just shutdowned and nothing happens after that. I used google to search about that problem and it seem like i have not found any answer.
Can you help me? Sorry for bad english btw. Hi Paul My unit’s label says: 3TO 035 680E Date: HW: H61 SW: 3984 This was correct until I’ve had problems with installing the maps via your SD 2 HDD work around. I didn;t know where the problem was so upgraded teh firmware to 5238 and still had the same problem.
The problem being that after the map work around has finished (keys out of the ignition & approx 30mins) I get the ‘success’ screen. I remove the SD card etc and use the hidden menu and it quite rightly shows the V13 maps as: Active map coverage West Europe Active map supplier Navteq Map version DVD 8348 However, once the unit is turned off, it ‘forgets’ the mapping, as if it never saved it to HDD. Turning the system back on and using the hidden menu will now show; Active map coverage – Active map supplier – Map version DVD – If I select NAV or MAP, the system just says ‘Please insert the nAvigation CD/DVD’!!
Ive seen this mentioned at Point 4 of the trouble shooting on the site of and I followed the instructions and put the map DVD back in. However, no matter what i try I can not get the NAV/MAP to work without a mapping DVD inside the amchine. Hi Paul My unit’s label says: 3TO 035 680E Date: HW: H61 SW: 3984 This was correct until I’ve had problems with installing the maps via your SD 2 HDD work around. I didn’t know where the problem was so upgraded teh firmware to 5238 and still had the same problem. The problem being that after the map work around has finished (keys out of the ignition & approx 30mins) I get the ‘success’ screen.
I remove the SD card etc and use the hidden menu and it quite rightly shows the V13 maps as: Active map coverage West Europe Active map supplier Navteq Map version DVD 8348 However, once the unit is turned off, it ‘forgets’ the mapping, as if it never saved it to HDD. Turning the system back on and using the hidden menu will now show; Active map coverage – Active map supplier – Map version DVD – If I select NAV or MAP, the system just says ‘Please insert the navigation CD/DVD’!!
Ive seen this mentioned at Point 4 of the trouble shooting on the site of and I followed the instructions and put the map DVD back in. However, no matter what i try I can not get the NAV/MAP to work without a mapping DVD inside the machine. I have a US/Canada spec. 2009 VW Passat 2.0 T with RNS510 Researched forever and found out that SW1140 is the max you can go to. HDD and no Solid state drive.
The 1140 enables clock display with unit off and also 32GB SD cards. All data remained untouched, not reformat of HDD or else. Found SW1140 and burnt on DVD-R at slowest speed. Update worked, also VIM for the hidden setup menu functionality (I do not watch video DVD’s so the hidden menu is what I’m interested in). Also found V10M North America maps ISO and burnt ISO on DVD-R DL at slowest speed. Copied fine but didn’t finish copying so found a fix on a TDi Forum with 3 button soft reset (2 buttons left of DVD slot and the one far right (day/night button). After performing reset the Map update DVD copied to HDD just fine and also finished that process.
While at it updated to current bootlogo, now the old RNS510 is a much more useful unit especially considering the much more current map data. Having said that I usually use Google Maps and nothing beats Google Maps ?.
Hey, great tutorial, but I´ve got some problems: After starting my RNS510 in SWL mode it startet to load the “SD to HDD Iso” but there it got frozen. Now my RNS510 is not starting any more (even not until the “welcome” screen). It´s just trying to start (screen backlight goes on). The reset (Buttons: back+foward+star) does not work nor does the eject+star+setup work. I also removed the car-batterie but with no success.
I think my RNS510 is stuck in the SWL bootloop waiting for an CD/DVD insert. But the SDtoHDD iso CD is still in there and the RNS don´t want to eject it. Does anybody know what to do?
Thanks a lot! Hi mate, brilliant work. I have a 2009 Scirocco with RNS510, i was going to attempt the hard disk upgrade, but I think it probably wont be needed if the SD card slot can read SDHC cards. Mine currently only supports SD cards upto 2gb, does the 5238 firmware update change whether higher capacity cards can be read? I’m assuming so, because it seems that the maps are put on through sd here.
I’ve got a dual layer dvd burner, so hopefully that should suffice for maps. I just want the option to take my music (on SD Card) and manage the files/filing system without copying things through the VW interface itself (it takes so long!) I’m tempted to run the update anyway, because it seems like both our cars had similar systems to start with, there is no system information. Hi, great tutorial. Update worked, 5238 working fine with no issues. However having maps DVD issues now with the “CD/DVD Error” as mentioned above. Only choice is to attempt doing via the SD method but the link is dead.
Paul is there any chance you can host it via a dropbox or something if you have a copy? Preferably Mac version but windows will have to do if its the only option. Otherwise my phone is doing a great job as my temporary sat Nav, probably heaps better than using a built in system but hey i gotta give it a chance. So far my experience with the RNS510 is that it feels like a product made in the 80’s. My old gameboy was faster at doing things. Yes, thanks for all the info.
My VW is 2009 and I think the RNS510 is factory fitted, the HW is H11 and version C12. I found that updating my RNS510 was a real project of perseverance. Basically nothing worked properly unless the ignition was turned on and the engine was running approx 1000 rpm. Firmware installation proceeded well until the Radio was updated 100% and the Gateway 0%, at that point rather than wait the indicated 18 mins remaining I learned that I had to Setup-Eject-Sound and restart the firmware installation and then the second time it always did the Gateway 100% and rebooted with ‘SWL Success’. I purchased a V14 8477 Navigation DVD from ebay but installing from it never worked, the vendor said my DVD lens needed cleaning! Instead I used Christian’s superb maps tool 2.02 from.
My PC runs Ubuntu (Linux) and I learned that I can simply rename that.exe file to.jar and it worked perfectly in Javascript once I had Java runtime installed. So I then successfully installed the navigation files from an SD Card but upon completion my unit got itself into a start loop with just the VW logo appearing and disappearing!
So I re-installed the firmware again (twice as described above) and ‘tadaa’ the navigation data remained on the HDD while the firmware update overwrote the loop error and phew.it all works. First of all thank you for your great instructions. Without them I probably wouldn’t have dared to upgrade my system or spent endless hours searching for the proper instructions. I might have an answer to some of the issues raised in your description. You wondered why your music and navigation data did not survive the firmware upgrade process. I guess the reason is that you used the version 5238 by Josi. Apart from the other changes Josi seems to have done to the firmware, he also inserted a repartitioning command into the DLSCRIPT.TXT residing in the HDD HDD20GB RNSMIDEC CONFIG folder.
The line is called: MULTIVERIFYHDD 3 3 50 2 25 3 25 0 0 The 50 25 25 meaning that 50% of the available HDD space should be used for the music and 25% for the System and another 25% for the POIs. Without this re-partitioning command your music probably would have remained intact. Unless of course you already have exactly that partitioning scheme on your harddrive in which case the re-partitioning seems to get skipped as well. That was one of the reasons why I used the release 5274 instead.
This is an unmodified original VW release as you can see in the comment line in the VERSION.TXT in the root folder: #CommentStart: This is a SWL CD for VW delivery. You can see the modified versions when the line says instead: #CommentStart: This is an unofficial SWL CD by josi. Use it at your own risk. As it is the case with all 5238 versions I could find and some of the 5274 versions as well. Unfortunately I ran into some trouble nonetheless. I first updated my system with the latest Maps (Western Europe V14 – 8477) to make sure that I have a working Maps source available in case my HDD would be re-partitioned despite my best efforts to avoid that.
That worked instantly with a Dual Layer DVD+R that I had burned carefully at the slowest speed (2.4x). Unfortunately the installation process took over 1 1/2 hours and displayed no visible progress bar. The only way for me to determine that it was still updating the maps was the fact that the ejection button didn’t release the DVD and that every now and then you could hear the DVD drive make a small head moving noise.
Anyhow afterwards I was running on 8477 according to the version info. The next step was to update my system from 3970 to 5274. I burned a CD, inserted it as mentioned and let it run.
About 45 minutes and several reboots later my system was stuck at the “GATEWAY – To be updated 0%” message. No progress at all was visible and at some point the screen turned off by itself. That was when I tried to eject the CD for the first time. I don’t recall the exact steps anymore, but apparently my system was stuck and incapable of rebooting properly.
So I had to use the UPDATE command by pressing Setup + Eject + Info/Mic. I tried it again with the same CD only to end up again being stuck at the GATEWAY part.
Since it had gotten to late I decided to give it another try the next day with the previous version 5269. Which I did and lucky me it went through. Although I had to manually restart the system by turning the ignition key to get the update process going again.
After some nervous waiting the GATEWAY update went through as well (making a loud noise in the speakers at least four times only during the GATEWAY process bar increase which would have scared the hell out of me hadn’t I read somewhere that other people had the same experience) and the screen went and remained black. I waited some time and then gave it another manual restart and it finally showed the SUCCESS message. Unfortunately at this point my car started to behave weirdly (like the numbers on the temperature control starting to blink in a funny rhythm when turning on the radio) and I was already afraid of having fried some important key components when I wondered if my battery might have been emptied by all that endless updating (over 5 hours at least for the maps and three firmware update runs). So I turned the key in the ignition and I got the familiar sound of a starter not having enough juice. After recharging my battery everything seemed to be fine though. Holding SETUP for 10 seconds revealed that my system was apparently running on 5269. What a relief!
I will give the 5274 another try (maybe it works when upgrading from 5269 instead of 3970 to 5274?). Should I get stuck again I would run the 5269 update CD another time. Since the upgrade process probably got interrupted due to an nearly empty battery I figure it wouldn’t hurt to have another upgrade run uninterrupted. My advice to anybody not wanting to re-upload all his music and map data is to carefully pick the release. If the release contains no re-partitioning command (like the 5269 or the unmodified 5274 at the my-gti.com website) you should probably be safe.
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Apparently the system seems to be also more robust than I would have hoped since it could deal with a stuck upgrade process as well as with system shutdowns during the upload of the new firmware due to an empty battery. I would advise against an update using the 6276 release unless you are 100% sure that your system is a C14 (mine is a C11). Should you have already updated using one of the releases on Josi’s website you can’t rely on the hardware and software information any more since the numbers get changed by any update. So I recommend making a screenshot of your version display by pressing SETUP for over 10 seconds and then using your mobile phone to take a picture of the figures displayed. If anybody has any idea why 5274 got stuck at the GATEWAY part, I would appreciate sharing it here with everybody.
Hi, I managed to find a live link to download Western Europe V12 at gpspower.net and the MapTool “confirmed the iso as correct.” I have updated firmware to 5238 without problems. When using the SD Card method everything looks correct, just like your step by step here. It playes the.mp3 from the SD Card and boots from the CD, and the 31% loading image displayed.
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However, it’s been 2 hours now, it occationally reboots and continous as before. But no finalizing. I abborted after 1h40min first go around.
Booted as normal, but no maps. Any advice for me, other than patience? SD Card 8GB new and formatted FAT32 etc. I hope Paul is reading this. The writeup is nice and very useful. Thank you a lot!
I managed to update my RNS 510 (version B, on a 2009 VW Passat 2,0 TDI Highline) to 5238 on the first attempt without any problems. Anything worked fine afterwards: Rear View Camera, MFS buttons, everything. Updating my maps however drives me crazy. After updating the firmware the rate of CD/DVD disk readings was getting worse and worse. Now almost no data disks are read by the unit, however music CDs and movie DVDs work fine. That is why I am simply unable to restart the unit successfully with any kind of boot disk: format maps+hdd, format maps, maptools boot disk, any.
Try various reset/restart procedures. In SWL update mode the maptools bootdisk is loading, the progress bar reaches the end, screen goes black as if the unit is restarting, but after a while every sign of life is gone – nothing happens. Navigation also runs fine from the inserted SD card, but I can not find a way to load the maps to the HDD which I would like to do a lot. I wrote 10+ various CDs on two different writers at different speeds, none of them seem to work.
The only data disk the unit can read is a Verbatim DVD-R with the map data. I wrote the maptools sd2hdd iso on such a DVD but it is unreadable even in the unit that produced the disk. Can anyone suggest a workaround to get my maps on the hdd? Many thanks to any wizard having the magic receipt!
Paul: I’ve having some difficulty with the firmware upgrade to my RNS-510, perhaps you may have some advice. The RNS is version “C”, HW: H06, SW: 1140 (version version info on screen). Per your in depth article (Everyone can use firmware 5238 and newest maps), I went with firmware 5238. I D/L the three files, combined using “7z” decompressor, and burned the resulting file to a CDR at the slowest speed (4x) my burner & SW would do.
So far so good. Then I tried to upgrade the firmware, and got the following error message: “Software loading error (010306) SWL error (in red box) Error description: An error occurred during initialization of the SWL process.
As nothing was altered you are able to continue with the original SW. Please remove the CD and the target will automatically reboot to the original SW.” And it did. The RNS is still fully functional, just no joy in the firmware upgrade. I’ve tried the upgrade several more times with the same CD and get the same results. Any advice?–george. Paul: I find I’m having trouble with burning CDs,a d I’ll get that solved. I was able to update the maps to V11M, just insert the DVD, and let it go, worked fine.
I’m in the USA, so I wonder if firmware 5238 is applicable there. The source I got the maps DVD from suggested that I could not use a version as high as my model C won’t take past firmware version 1140. Do you know anywhere I can confirm for USA what firmware is max for Rec “C” hardware? Also if I’m already at max version of firmware, what’s lost by staying there?
In other words what features are added (or fixed) by later firmware? Hi I was hoping someone can help.
I have managed to use the software update from this blog to successfully update my rns 510. I was having the same issue where i couldnt tell what version my rns was. I am now having an issue with the maps downloading. I bought a dvd off ebay v14 western europe. When i put it in and press the eject button i get the message “Navigation data is being downloaded.
Early removal of the DVD will end this process” with a loading bar under the writing and 3 buttons “Eject” “Notify” and “Back”. The issue is that the loading bar will go to about 90% and then it will go back to the start.
It has been doing this loop for a few times and it just wont go past that. What am i doing wrong? Or maybe someone can send me the files to put on the SD card so i can install maps from an SD.
Please please please can someone help as i am struggling on this big time. I’ve never bothered with the SD card route, it always seemed more effort than it was worth when I could just burn a DL DVD and drop it in the unit while the car was parked in the car park while I carried on my days work. I’ll burn the CD tomorrow and let you know how I get on. What car are you going onto after the R36, another 4WD VAG group car or something else? The Audi RS3 looks rather nice, but I’ll have to wait 5-6 years for them to come down in price enough for me to buy one ? I currently drive a 4WD Golf 4Motion. Ah so you got the DL DVD working?
I heard of people having problems due to the layer change, do you have to do anything special to stop that happening mid-file? I already got my next car, a brand new Q7 with huge spec (it’s got 22″ wheels ffs!) Lol in terms of tech it’s amazing how much cars have come on, it has full Google Earth navigation and a virtual cockpit, it’s awesome and still pretty nippy. Got it on a 3yr PCP but will be very interested in a hybrid or EV at the end of the contract, depends how the tech develops.
Worked like a charm with V14. With V15 I did as before – used Maps Tools 2.0.3 to copy the files onto SD card (2.1.3 doesn’t work for some reason). Used EUsdtohddfw.iso to burn CD/DVD, and did exactly as I did in case of V14. I entered the SD card, the test mp3 played nicely, then restarted the unit and insterted the DVD plate.
The system boots from the DVD. “SWL CD detected – the system will be restarted and the SWL process started” 2.
It loads “maps tool sd to hdd copy” 3. Displays “SWL initialisation in progress. Please wait” 4.
Reboots 2 or 3 times and 5. The unit just restarts. Then it shows “CD/DVD error. Please check CD/DVD”. Tried the DVD i used the last time and it worked fine.
Doesn’t work this time. Tried to burn CD/RW. The process looks exactly as described above. Still have the old v14. ? Any ideas? I had exactly the same problem, and have been trying to do this for months. What solved it for me was: Turned on the player, Pressed setup + Eject + Info/Mic.
After 20 sec – Inserted the 5238 firmware CD (If you still have it) – the one you used when you updated to firmware 5238. The unit will rebot a couple of times. If it goes all the way to “Confirm” update, dont press ok, just abort. Download Imgburn, and burn the SSD to HD.iso to a CD-R on 4x burning speed.
3, Turn on the player and insert the SD, and check if the test mp3 plays. Press setup + Eject + Info/Mic – after 20 sec, insert the SSD TO HD.iso you just burnt. The map update should start, and will be stuck at 31% for about 40 min, but just wait ? 6.
See if it works ? I do not know why this worked for me, but I suspect it delete sa temp file or something when booting 5238 firmware cd again. I would love to get a feedback from you. Hi Paul, Many thanks for your great work. A recommendation for those who elect to clone the drive.
I bent the lower tabs flush with the hdd cover. This allows removal of the drive without the complete strip down otherwise necessary. This was very helpful for me as the first clone did not start and so I had no media access.
I had to remove the replacement drive and reload the partitions twice before I had the system up and running. This would have been very trying if I had to do a full strip each time. Best wishes for the future year from Down Under, Bob. First of thank you for the clear guide!
I succesfully updated my RNS510 with to the 5238 firmware. Don’t need the ‘setup+eject+info’ button. Just turn on the RNS510(without keys in ignition), insert the firmware CD and be patient!!! You think the radio will go off several times and nothing happens, but just WAIT! After confirming that you want to update twice it will take about 50minutes(in display it says 55minutes) and the radio will go off(black) several times! After update I pushed the Setup button till the menu with FM, AM and version came up. I got the same Delivery part number as you; 1T0035680L, but mine shows ‘HW: 03’!!
My Golf is from nov-2009. On the following site it shows that HW:03 (C3/C4) should show ‘1T0035680′(without the ‘L’) and the one with the ‘L’ should belong to the C14! So I guess this Delivery Part Number is not something to rely on! Need to thank you again! With your clear guide I managed to update the maps to V15(2018) with an 8Gb SD card(class 10) and map tools v2.0.2. (the V15 maps were over 6Gb, while I had 4.7Gb DVD-RW discs only).
I found the maps tools v2.0.2 version just by typing it in Google;.69i57jj0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 I don’t know if it is allowed, but I found the V15 maps here: It takes a while, because with the free download button, you can only download 1 file in an hour with an 5 hours wait per IP address. Joel: I think it depends on which model of RNS-510 you have. See: There he gives firmware versions VS RNS-510 versions. I chose to buy my firmware (for USA “J” model with version 4369, indicating I have an SSD, apparently not all J versions do) update from him. I’m sure there are less expensive options to get the firmware.
However Peter was a Continental dealer and repair service until 2015, when development of the RNS-510 stopped (so I read). I decide that his knowledge was worth the cost to me. He noted that there were “tons of bug fixes from very fisrt SSD based firmware 4369.
5238 is some seven versions news than 4369”. He also answered that the firmware 5238 will not “reformat” the SSD, thus losing all my maps (I have the map DVD also). I then asked about Bluetooth and MDI firmware updates, which he stated “there were no updates, even from VW”.
I don’t know where else I could have gotten such advice.–george. I did the firmware (& operating system) upgrade in about an hour, as Peter states. Some of the prompts from VW are a bit scary, but as Peter says “just wait it out”.
Prior to firmware upgrade, the startup screen (VW logo in foreground, map of the world in background) was shifted with a horizontal split near the bottom of the circle surround the “VW” letters. This was not a problem, merely annoying. The firmware upgrade fixed that too. I guess the picture file was reloaded as a part of the upgrade. So if you have the “split VW logo” try reinstalling the firmware. I don’t know that I can tell that the RNS is any faster, or GPS performance any better, but I sure feel better with the latest. Peter notes that Sirius XM reception will be improved, but I’m too cheap to subscribe.
I’ve been corresponding with Peter and asked for a (semi) technical description of the operation of the RNS-510, and he responded with: In regards to technical aspect of the OS running on RNS-510 it is similar to Unix. I’m no expert in it, as I only have factory tools from Continental to repair these units with their own interface. For example when replacing a hard drive the NAND memory partition has to be wiped before full firmware can be installed to initialize the hard disk drive and partition it properly. In regards to boot and what happens during boot is fairly simple.
Each function is launched almost like an app and runs in the background. To what I know Radio starts first, then rear view camera, Sirius, and last is Navi portion of the unit. These are not the quickest units out there but the last revision of them with SSD drive is very solid unit and easily repairable if something should go bad as there are parts available for them.
Newer units I sell from MK7 cars called MIB2 are much more complicated as they tie into the cars electronics so deep, that if not coded correctly systems of the specific car module can shut down. We are reaching a point in time, where car radios will no longer be replaced by third party, and car manufacturers want to eliminate third party parts installation on any cars as it causes a headache for them, and people want to claim warranty caused by these parts on many occasions. Search for:. @ Thanks for giving my daughter your guitar pick in London last night, she is showing everyone and will tr. @ Hey dude, are you opening or closing MoS tonight?. @ So why were they all going mad for Nutella?.
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